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浦西老城的很多老高层有无可能外立面整体修缮一遍?

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发表于 2023-11-1 17:29:10 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
bei870820 发表于 2023-10-28 17:32
行,作为上海人我和你说说,上海这边美丽家园,其他我不知道,闵行和长宁,基本都修缮了几轮了,你要知道 ...

国内早几十年造的楼质量极差,和欧美日不能比,所以再美丽家园也没啥用,记得当年的二万户和赫鲁晓夫楼都属小梁薄板,除了拆除没任何修缮价值,这些楼连三十年代的石库门都不如,去看看张园,新天地都成了文物,武康大楼只是恢复当年的模样就让人眼前一亮,所以对历史负责,每栋楼都应该经得起历史的检验,而不是在城市里面堆积建筑垃圾,上海要重新复兴再次伟大一定要补上建筑复兴这一课。
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发表于 2023-11-2 12:20:23 | 显示全部楼层
311 发表于 2023-11-1 16:09
请问您为什么说欧美就一小块地方做的很好呢?

因为他们的城市规模就这么点大,明白?你让他管理下2千万人口城市建筑试试,人少,所以以色列这种恶心的国家都能是发达国家,给他塞5千万人试试,他连巴勒斯坦200万人都不要,只要地不要人
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发表于 2023-11-2 12:23:20 | 显示全部楼层
五月游子 发表于 2023-11-1 17:29
国内早几十年造的楼质量极差,和欧美日不能比,所以再美丽家园也没啥用,记得当年的二万户和赫鲁晓夫楼都 ...

你这家伙真的很搞笑,所有帖子都要来回复我,黑暗的一逼,只要我说一点上海的好话,立马跳出来,立场之坚定,真喜欢欧美就润出去
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发表于 2023-11-2 17:34:19 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
bei870820 发表于 2023-11-2 12:23
你这家伙真的很搞笑,所有帖子都要来回复我,黑暗的一逼,只要我说一点上海的好话,立马跳出来,立场之坚 ...

请问您想说明什么呢?
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发表于 2023-11-3 13:52:38 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
yeahmay 发表于 2023-11-3 08:44
欧美很多地方是旧,不是破,也不是脏,更不是丑,绝大部分审美是过及格线的,反观上海有些老大楼,确实一言 ...

请问为什么这么说呢?
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发表于 2023-11-3 13:53:09 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
五月游子 发表于 2023-11-1 17:29
国内早几十年造的楼质量极差,和欧美日不能比,所以再美丽家园也没啥用,记得当年的二万户和赫鲁晓夫楼都 ...

请问下中国现存赫鲁晓夫楼多吗?
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发表于 2023-11-3 15:52:20 | 显示全部楼层
311 发表于 2023-11-3 13:53
请问下中国现存赫鲁晓夫楼多吗?

现在国内玉米楼还是极多的,六七十年代造了无数赫鲁晓夫楼。
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发表于 2023-11-4 09:44:27 | 显示全部楼层
sea-crab 发表于 2023-9-18 10:25
外立面刷了也没啥用,关键是统一更换有质感的玻璃窗户,日本大部分房子都很旧,但看着依然很有质感,主要是 ...

不是什么窗户的问题,是因为没有江南地区特有的晾衣服杆子 万国旗飘扬,还有就是房子的容积率低 不像我们老公房的容积率这么高,话说杭州好像也没有了晾衣服杆子了 看上去外立面就干净不少了
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发表于 2023-11-4 11:11:19 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
成本有些太高了
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发表于 2023-11-5 08:55:58 | 显示全部楼层
Architecture follows the prosperity of the people. Can poor people live in architecturally attractive houses? I believe that is possible. These are simple houses that look nice and can be designed creatively. High-quality, innovative architecture, on the other hand, costs more money. The tenants have to pay that in the end. There is still a way to increase the quality without increasing the price. More competition among providers. Competition increases quality and lowers prices. So you shouldn't necessarily help construction companies to make greater profits, but rather enable more competition in the construction industry and the architectural scene. The same principle in all other aspects increases the prosperity of people and thus the environment, which includes architecture, becomes increasingly beautiful and meets the needs of customers. As some have already said. Repainting facades doesn't help. If a pair of underwear has a hole, the hole remains, regardless of whether the underwear is black or brown. What I found interesting: The creator of the thread is of the opinion that external air conditioning systems, i.e. installed on building facades, improve the appearance. I don't know. In the rest of the world things are seen very differently. And this idea also seems very strange to me, that air conditioning systems should look nice on the walls of houses...because they obscure the view of the architecture that you are supposed to admire. The air conditioning units on the house walls belong away. Modern houses now regulate the climate differently than through external air conditioning systems on the house walls.
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发表于 2023-11-5 09:04:47 | 显示全部楼层
Europe is glorified too much. In parts of Europe, people can hardly afford housing anymore. Especially in Germany. If you look at the construction projects in Austria, you get depressed. One residential bunker after another is being built there. Without design. They are simply monofunctional places where people have to be satisfied that they have a roof over their heads. In China, on the other hand, great architecture is created. I don't know if the houses in China are that great. But many skyscrapers or schools, kindergartens, cafes and the like have a fantastic design. Where is great housing being built in Europe? If you look to Paris, you can find luxury apartments built in a traditional style. New York is building great luxury apartments in skyscrapers. But then Asia actually comes. Seoul for example or Bangkok. I think that, in general, normal housing construction is not that attractive worldwide. Luxury housing is more attractive.
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发表于 2023-11-5 09:19:58 | 显示全部楼层
Another example...in eastern Germany, old building facades were renovated. The optics are deceiving. People who are poor now live in well-preserved old buildings. Does that sound reasonable? Some people will ask whether facades are more important than the people who live behind them.

I mean, Shanghai is a beautiful city. For me she is the most beautiful thing on earth. A queen. And the older facades will definitely be renovated at some point. Or torn down. Maybe some facades will also be considered cult? When I was younger, I was bothered by facades that I find exciting today. As you get older you perhaps give things and changes more time.

Basically, people complain in every city in the world.

Shanghai is developing quite well. Not every single house has to be perfect at the same time. People age too. Some people fade, others become interesting with age. Maybe it's the same with houses. I don't know it. I just wanted to give my two cents on it .
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发表于 2023-11-5 10:47:56 | 显示全部楼层
国外丑丑旧旧的老住宅楼也不少,或者外面光鲜里面一塌糊涂。 不过国外人口摆在那里,住宅高楼总数就少,偏低矮的多,你看不到而已,国内人是太了解自己,对他国的了解却是皮毛,容易一叶障目,常住国外就指知道了
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发表于 2023-11-7 08:12:32 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
TommyShanghai 发表于 2023-11-5 09:19
Another example...in eastern Germany, old building facades were renovated. The optics are deceiving. ...

请问您为什么发英文呢?
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发表于 2023-11-7 08:13:31 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
幻魔之都 发表于 2023-11-3 15:52
现在国内玉米楼还是极多的,六七十年代造了无数赫鲁晓夫楼。

多谢,您说的玉米楼是赫鲁晓夫楼吗?还有请问中国50-70年代建的建筑多吗?
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